Thoughts on Screen Readers
Posted by Ginny on November 14, 2009
Assalamu alaikum, I got into a recent discussion (see recent comments above) regarding Freedom Scientific (henceforth referred to as FS) and System Access/Serotek (henceforth referred to as SA). I have a policy that I don’t fight the screen reader wars. I’m not going to hate on someone who uses GW Micro, or Serotek products, or whatever. I’ll be up front and say that I’m primarily a Jaws user and have been since 1998 when I first started to learn to use Windows. And I was a Jaws user because that is what my university had, although up to that time I’d been a Vocal-Eyes user, before of course moving to Windows. And it’s not that I don’t like Window-Eyes (I can’t quite seem to master it for some reason, though), nor System Access (which I actually do have on my machine and have learned to master it pretty much), it’s just that I’ve just always stuck with Jaws.
Why you might ask? Because in my opinion, it is a good screen reader and it does what I need it to do pretty much when I need it to do it with usually little phenagling on my part, which is what I want. I’m not going to trash Jaws as a screen reader just because I don’t always like the practices of the company that owns it. And perhaps the techies know more about the gutts of Jaws and they are better equipped to fuss at something they find wrong or some bug that Jaws has that FS supposedly has refused to fix, or whatever. However for me, the pretty much average computer user, Jaws works for me.
I’m currently using Jaws for Windows 10 with a Focus 40 Braille display, and for me, Braille support is a must for any product that I’m going to purchase/use on a regular basis. And if there was any screen reader that I was ever going to switch to (without going all out and purchasing a Mac and switching to Voiceover), it probably would be System Access.
However, there are a few things that keep me from switching. First, it won’t support my current Braille display, unless and until I guess Jaws puts out generic Windows drivers for it. And I don’t have the thousands of dollars it would take to purchase a Braille display. Perhaps, in order to facilitate the switch to System Access for Braille users who currently have non-supported Braille displays, System access could work with the companies that manufacture the Braille displays that they do support and perhaps we could have some kind of a payment plan that would allow us to more easily afford to purchase the Braille display that would work with System Access.
Secondly, I have a quirky machine that for some reason locks up if I have SA start up at the windows login screen. It will start talking just fine, but when I go to log in, the whole machine locks up, which pretty much locks me out of Windows altogether and thus my system. It’s a good thing that from the log in screen, I was able to readjust my settings to not have System access start up at the log in screen, or else I’d have been in pretty serious trouble, pretty much turning my machine into a huge brick.
Another reason why I’ve not completely switched over to System access is that I’m not sure that SA has the equivalent of the Jaws cursor, which pretty much gives you an unrestricted view of the screen, where you can move around and pretty much click on what you want. The closest thing I’ve seen to this is the “Virtual Mouse”, however, it only gives you access to the icons on the screen, and you’re restricted to where you can move around.
Here’s an example of what I’m talking about. If my Windows firewall blocks a program, a little box, which isn’t really a standard dialogue box, will pop up and notify me that my firewall has blocked a program. Now, if your screen reader isn’t at just the right place at the right time, it’ll miss this. However, you’ll know that a dialog is there because it’s covering up other items on the desktop. Now, with my Jaws cursor, I can move around the screen, on my desktop, find the box, left mouse click on it, which then will bring it into focus where I can tab through it and click on the option I want. Now, I’m not sure if System Access, or any other screen reader for that matter, has this option. Perhaps they do and I’m just not aware of it or don’t know how to use it.
But the use of the Jaws cursor is something that I have to have, especially at work where I use a system which connects via a tn3270 terminal (I think) and Jaws won’t automatically read, or at least not well anyway, what’s in that window, and I’ve tried using SA for that and it’s worse than Jaws. The only way to make that program accessible to me is by using the Jaws cursor to read the data on the screen and the PC cursor to enter the data.
Now of course, if there was a way that I could switch to a screen reader, that does what Jaws does, accesses the programs I need to do my job, or just to simply get done what I want done, and if it’s cheaper, of course I’d switch, who wouldn’t? Most of us who use Jaws are either doing so out of necessity or perhaps because we are happy with the program and it does for us what we need. I just don’t like the hateful rhetoric. If you don’t like Jaws or FS’s policies, and if you can find another comparable screen reader, go for it. I sure would, and am even considering purchasing a Mac the next time I’m in the market for a new computer. And if there was a way that I could get SA to work with my machine without it locking it up, and if I could either afford a new Braille display that would work with SA, or if SA started working with my existing display, you can but I’d make the switch. Especially as there’s no cost for any future upgrades. I’d even consider switching from Jaws to SA at work, if I knew that all of the programs I needed would work with SA, and again, if I could get Braille support.
And currently, as I’ve mentioned before, I have SA on my computer and I do use it on occasion. I also have a System Access Mobile Network account and I use that on a fairly regular basis also. I also purchased a Small-Talk Ultra from GW Micro a few years back, so I can’t really fight the screen reader wars even if I wanted to because I’ve bought products from all three of the better known screen reader companies, the fourth being Dolphin which I’ve not bought anything from them. I’ve even played around with NVDA, and if I could just learn to master that one, perhaps I’d even switch to using them. I’m not sticking with Jaws just because, as I’ve said earlier, I do have my reasons.
I’m not even sure why I’m even writing a post like this. I’m not sure why some of is in the blindness community want to make a huge issue out of things like this. It’s like if you use FS products you’re somehow “down with the man” or “supporting the blindist pig” or something. It’s really quite ridiculous. And it’s the same with dog guide schools. We like to fight these useless “my school is better than your school” or “my screen reader is better than yours” when really, there’s no need for it. There’s a reason why there are so many dog guide schools and somany screen reader manufacturers, and that’s because there’s a need in the market for them. If there wasn’t, the companies/schools wouldn’t be able to stay open/in business.
Richard Wells said
Greetings! I would like to address a couple of the comments in this post. I will not take them in any particular order.
The first comment that I wanted to address was the one about not being able to access firewal notifications. When running System Access, as soon as you here the notification balloon pop sound, press MODIFIER+B and the notification dialog will be focused so you can block, unblock applications or processes and take any other action that the firewall software offers. When not running System Access, WINDOWS-KEY+B will focus the system tray where you can then press enter to bring up the notification dialog. System Access does make it easier though because the dialog is actually opened for you.
The problem you are experiencing with System Access at the Windows Log-on screen is not common and we would like to trouble-shoot that one with you.
The other comment that jumped out at me was the one concerning System Access not supporting your current Braille device. Serotek can never support a Freedom Scientific display because FS refuses to share driver protocols. Unlike others in the market we won’t hack the driver protocol so we can have the privilege of saying we support FS displays. Another consideration is, any company that does hack the protocol could be seen as reverse engineering the FS Braille SDK, (Software Developer Kit.) This could easily put a screen reader manufacturer in a position of being compelled by FS’s huge legal team to remove support from the non FS screen reader. This would put an adaptive technology developer in a heck of a pickle because the customer purchased a screen reader that cannot be guaranteed to work with the FS display forever. This could lose a person’s job for them or require them to buy a new display or screen reader. I, Richard Wells, do strongly believe however, that the rest of the screen reader manufacturer’s should not do to FS what they are doing to the other manufacturers of Braille displays, that is, charge them for the privilege of being a part of their product.
These comments are in no way intended to contribute to any perceived screen reader wars. We at Serotek do believe though, that litigation is no substitute for innovation and cooperation. By working together where possible, all users of screen readers and Braille displays will greatly benefit.
Ginny said
Hello, Richard. You bring up some good points and I’m glad that we’re having this discussion. My post probably came across as a bit too edgy or negative, though that wasn’t my intention. That is why, when I mentioned the Braille display/support issue, I also made the suggestion that, if we couldn’t use our current display with SA, if there was a way that some assistance could be provided in procuring a dispaly that would work with sa, and the only idea I could think of would be if, when purchasing a Braille display that would work with SA, if it could be done on a payment plan, because many of us can’t afford to purchase a new display.
Regarding my computer issues, I’d definitely like to work with Serotek in trying to figure out what is wrong with my computer, because I’ve used SA on my father’s computer (which also has issues lol), and it doesn’t lock up the system.
I really like with Serotek is doing, as far as their philosophy of “accessibility anywhere”, I still get a thrill when I can walk up to any computer, and either plug in my flash drive or go to http://www.satogo.com and voila! I’ve got speech!
And I “don’t have to install any crap” on anyone’s computer as my parents would say. I can use SA to brows the net, work on the computer, etc., close it when I’m done, and there’s nothing there to suggest that anyone had even been there.
And as I said, if I could get a supported Braille display, and get it in a way that I could afford, and figure out how to solve the issues I’m having iwth my computer, and see if it would work with the applications that I use at work, then I could ditch FS completely, and you’d truly have an SA convert *smile*.
This reminds me of a few weeks ago, when FS sent me a notice stating my Braille display warranty was expiring and they wanted to charge me $385.00 to renew it! You shoulda heard/seen my husband’s reaction, and said warranty doesn’t even cover “aacidents” or other repairs, it only covers general maintenance. Just this summer, mydisplay was accidentally knocked off the computer and they charged me about that much money to get it fixed. As well as seeming to have a “you shoulda been more careful” attitude when I called into notify them of the problem. And when it happened, I just about sat in the middle of the floor and cried, lol, because I knew just how expensive it would cost to get the thing fixed. Although it wasn’t as bad as it could have been. But why should I pay these people hundreds of dollars for a supposed warranty that well, isn’t?
Anyway, I’ll get off of my soapbox for now. Thanks for commenting.