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Moon Bits for Shawwal

Posted by Ginny on September 30, 2008

Assalamu alaikum, from CrescentWatch.org:

Eid Mubarak!

Crescentwatch received reliable sighting reports from experienced moonsighters in the San Francisco Bay Area. There were also several sighting reports in Florida and Texas.
This marks the end of the blessed month of Ramadan, and the start of the month of Shawwal.

Eid Mubarak!

Posted: September 30, 2008 19:34 PST

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Announcement for Eid al-Fitr at 7:30pm PST

We at Crescentwatch.org are aware of the several reports of moon sightings in Florida and Texas on the evening of Tuesday, Sept. 30th. We are currently gathering more information about those reports and awaiting others in California. We will make a final announcement here at 7:30pm PST in sha Allah.
Last Updated: September 30, 2008 18:59 PST
Posted: September 30, 2008 18:40 PST

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From IslamicMoon.com:

A large number of witnesses in Florida have seen the Shawwal Hilal today, Tuesday as expected.
Eid al-Fitr in North America by the sighted Hilal is on Wednesday.
Eid Mubarak.
A large number of witnesses in Florida have seen the Shawwal Hilal today, Tuesday as expected.
Eid al-Fitr in North America by the sighted Hilal is on Wednesday.
Eid Mubarak.

Eid Mubarak!

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Moonsighting for Shawwal 1429

Posted by Ginny on September 30, 2008

Moonsighting for Shawwal 1429

Assalamu alaikum, interesting reports here.

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Declaration : : ChicagoHilal.com

Posted by Ginny on September 30, 2008

Assalamu alaikum, from ChicagoHilal.com

8:10pm:
The Chicago Hilal Committee received an authentic moon sighting report from Port Charlotte, Florida. Nearly 10 men witnessed the hilal, including several scholars and huffaz.

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Dar al-Hadith: Moonsighting Conspiracy

Posted by Ginny on September 30, 2008

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Eid cannot be Today!!!

Posted by Ginny on September 30, 2008

Assalamu alaikum, from Hasseb. Now I don’t feel so bad but honestly, I think I’m just going to start following my community no matter what, because being accused of fitna/”having an agenda”, etc., is just too much.

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Hilal Sighting Committee – Hilal update on Shawwal 1429 H at 7.25 PM

Posted by Ginny on September 30, 2008

Hilal Sighting Committee – Hilal update on Shawwal 1429 H at 7.25 PM

There are authenticated reports from Port Charlotte, FL of sighting the Shawwal moon by 10 witnesses. Eid ul Fitr is on October 1st 2008G.

Will try to have a round-up of moon/hilal sighting sites later on as I can find them and put them together.

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Imam Zaid Shakir: “Shaykh Hamza Yusuf and the Tony Blair Faith Initiative” | HAhmed.com

Posted by Ginny on September 29, 2008

A follow-up post from Hasseb, though I’m going to keep my eye on this as the first commentor on this post states that they can’t find the originally linked article by Imam Zaid stating that this was a set up. Although I did wonder why Hamza Yusuf was doing an event with the Tony Blair faith foundation, and I’d thought that many Muslims would just have another reason to pick a bone with him regarding that. But then I just thought, well, perhaps that some good could have come out of it. If what Haseeb’s post states is true, this is really sad, setting someone up? If so, how unfortunate.

We’ll see, though.

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2,878

Posted by Ginny on September 29, 2008

… number of blog views yesterday, most of them relating to Eid/Moon Sighting. Perhaps I should blog about the moon more often! I’m just completely stunned / floored, wonder if you guys will stay around for my other nonsense / weirdness?

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Saudi Has Done it Again! (updated)

Posted by Ginny on September 29, 2008

Assalamu alaikum,

From MoonSighting.com:

M H Zulqarnain from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia reported: Eid is announced
It may be surprising to all, but it has been announced here that moon has been sighted and tomorrow, Tuesday is Eid.

Mrs. Lubna Shawly (MCW member) from Jiddah, Saudi Arabia reported: Eid is announced
The Kingdome of Saudi Arabia Declaired that Eid is tomorrow Tuesday the 30th of September 2008.

Niaz Ahmed Khan from UAE reported: Eid is announced
Tuesday is the first day of Eid Al Fitr, the UAE Moon Sighting Committee announced on Monday. The committee, headed by Mohammad Bin Nakhira Al Daheri, Minister of Justice, was quoted by WAM as saying that after a number of legitimate measures, as well as several contacts with neighbouring countries, it was established that Tuesday is the first day of Shawwal and hence the first day of Eid Al Fitr in the UAE.

Official Decision and Announcement of the High Judiciary Council of Saudi Arabia: Since the moon of Shawwaal was sighted this evening, here in Saudi Arabia, we shall be completing twenty nine (29) days of Ramadhaan. Subsequently, we shall be celebrating ‘Eed al-Fitr on Tuesday 30th September 2008, inshaa.-Allaah
Comment by Moonsighting.com: It was impossible to see the moon in Saudi Arabia. The moon set before sunset and moon age was only less than 7 hours.

I think I’m going to cry! I really think I am, we go through this every single year! Every year! I’m not an astronomer, I have an interest in astronomy but I’m no expert. However, based on everything I’ve read, and I mean *everything!*, the new moon was just born today, meaning conjunction occurred just today! There is a certain time between conjunction and when the new crescent appears, the minimum time being around 15 hours or so, and also other factors have to be considered, i.e., the moon setting after the sun, etc.

As noted by MoonSighting.com above, the moon set before the sun in Makkah, the moon was less than 7 hours old, so could someone tell me exactly *how* the moon could have been seen!? How!? Can I go out on a limb and say, the moon couldn’t have been seen!? Can I say that? Are we going to have 2 different solar days designated as the same day, in order to account for the errors made for some of the months last year? Are we going to have reports of blind men being used as witnesses or people being paid for so-called “early sightings”? I’d thought about removing this bit, perhaps I’m not displaying good adab, I know that. I’m really not the best to speak on this issue. It upsets me, I get emotional over it! I feel cheated out of an Eid, because well, I can’t celebrate on the day that my community celebrates, not in good conscience. Take today for example, Numerous reports suggest that the moon couldn’t have been sighted. We’re not talking about a difference of opinion, this is far beyond “local versus global”. It’d be like someone coming and telling me that the sun was out, when I know that it’s gone below the horizon. Even if calculations may not always be accurate, we know enough about the moon now, that perhaps we didn’t know during the Prophet’s time (peace be upon him), that we can check people’s claims, we can track the moon, we know where it is, when it rises, when it sets. And I’m saying, not because I necessarily know anything, but because knowledgeable astronomers everywhere would tell me if I asked, that if the moon was just born this morning (perhaps afternoon in Saudi Arabia), and it sets before the sun does, than even I know that it can’t be seen, because I know enough about astronomy and the moon to know that during the conjunction (new moon) and for a while afterword, the moon is *not able to be seen*. This is simple science here! And if not every Muslim knows this, there should at least be someone in the community who does!

This isn’t the same as when Ramadan began, as there were credible and reliable sightings throughout many parts of the world, so at that point, it was a “local versus global” thing, and at that point, you could pretty much make your choice! This is a completely different issue, regarding the Eid, altogether. If the moon could credibly be seen anywhere in the world this evening, then I’d not be this, well, riled about it! And/or if people around the world weren’t basing their decisions on Saudi Arabia! I mean, we’re not talking about “who’s gonna get there first”, like it’s some big race or something! Milions of people’s fasts and Eids depend on this! Do the leaders both in Saudi Arabia and beyond not take this into account when they make these decisions? I mean, it seems like just because some astronomers said that Eid would be on Wednesday, they were just daring someone to declare tomorrow Eid! I also remember around the start of Ramadan, some Saudi official saying something along the lines of “if you’ve got a problem with our sighting reports, you’re just weak in faith … ” or something like that. Darn, I gotta find the article… Because I know it wasn’t those exact words and I hate misquoting people… But it was something like “hey, we don’t use calculations, we use actual sightings, and if you don’t like it, well, there’s just something wrong with your Islam”, and I remember that because it shocked me reading that! But I didn’t say anything, because, well, it wasn’t a big deal at the time, I mean, there was a sighting at least somewhere in the world, so it wasn’t, well, “entirely wrong”, because it’s valid to take a global sighting, depending on the fiqh you follow. But Declaring Eid, based on a moon sighting that couldn’t possibly have been is misleading! Pure and simple! Millions of Muslims are going to have Eid tomorrow because they thought that the moon was actually sighted somewhere when in the vast, vast majority of the world it couldn’t have been, and most certainly not in “Central Saudi Arabia”!

But I wanna know *why!* this continues to happen! Because I need some sorta explanation! Because I don’t know everything but what I do know was that the moon *wasn’t* seen in Saudi Arabia tonight! It just wasn’t! Unless I hear of a sighting in Polynesia, legitimizing tomorrow’s Eid, then it’s not going to be Eid for me! No way! When I got in the car for the trip home, my husband mentioned that “it was Eid tomorrow”, and some other people we happened to have in the car (from India I think) said, “how can you say it’s Eid tomorrow, the moon’s not been sighted yet”. For about 5 seconds, you could hear a pin drop, and I, before I could stop myself, said, sounding quiet, calm, and measured, “well, they said they sighted the moon in Saudi”. Then someone said something like “well, let’s see what the masjid says”. But they seemed to be leaning toward the “moon’s gotta be seen here first”. And I said something about being surprised that the moon had been seen because it was just born, uh, like today. But I didn’t want to argue about it and truthfully, I was tired from work and just wanted to get home.

I can handle legitimate differences of opinion, I can handle “global versus local” all of that, but this is just plain flat out wrong! Can someone tell me why? Do people think they’ve actually seen the moon? Can sighting reports be accepted even if they controvene everything we know about the moon, and even if these isolated reports can’t be verified by anyone else? I mean, we can track the moon, we know where it is, so if it could have been seen a huge amount of people would have been able to see it right? Is it an issue of needing to be first? (well Nigeria got that prize, they are consistently starting and ending Ramadan before anyone else but you don’t see the “supreme judiciary council of Nigeria announces ramadan to be … ” plastered all over the net, heck, I’d not have known this unless I wasn’t a regular visitor to moonsighting.com and other sites like it. But who listens to them?). Why does this continue to happen year after year after year?

I’m sorry! I’ve had enough of this issue, I’m tired of these mistakes being made year after year after year! And this is beyond just a “difference of opinion”! And May Allah forgive me for not having the adab to not be able to argue this any better than I have! I saw a comment from a sister earilier asking “what can we do about it”? I don’t know. Perhaps if I were a man (because let’s face it, most women aren’t taken seriously in most masajid anyway), I perhaps could bring up the subject, or maybe if I weren’t a convert. Or maybe if I weren’t so emotional about the issue. Heck, I can’t even convince my own husband who trusts the local masjid leadership who to my knowledge tends to follow Saudi, So how could I convince anyone else? The best thing to do is not to argue with people, but to make the information available to them! It’s up to them to make the decisions for themselves or their communities, if they’re in a position to do so. But it’s hard for me not to want to rant and rave about this issue! It really is, because, as I said, it’s not just about global, versus local, versus calculation, we’re talking about erroneous, outright wrong, announcements that millions of people are following, sometimes with no idea that they’re following an error. And while I know the leader takes the responsibility for the community, my question is, and has always been, who is defined as a “leader”, and how far does that definition go for taking decisions like this and following them? Yes, I know that the “Muslim government” takes the responsibility for the people in their jurisdiction, but what of a masjid board made up primarily of dentists, doctors, engineers, etc., many people think of them as “leaders” of the community, but in matters like this, when they themselves are following the decisions made, say, in Saudi Arabia or other countries and may not necessarily have the knowledge to discern legitimate sightings from the erroneous ones?

We just can’t continue to follow sightings from a place that has consistently been wrong, and in so doing, has created problems, confusion, and chaos for millions, and continues to do so despite advice from much more knowledgeable people, with much more adab than myself! They just keep on doing it, keep on making the same mistakes, over and over and over again, and imho, have shown themselves to be uncredible! Some set of guidelines need to be drawn up that everyone can agree on, people need to be educated, most especially masjid boards, etc., who are in charge of making these decisions for their local communities.

Any decisions need to be based on the Qur’an and the Sunnah foremost, and then what we know of scientific fact, again keeping in mind the Qur’an and Sunnah, and not some emotional attachment to ruler, country, place or personality.

I feel as though I still sound like a bumbling idiot! Although I’ve updated this post since I first posted it. I feel like I’m screaming at the top of my lungs and no one’s hearing me. While at the same time I feel like I’m purposefully causing fitna, like I’m just a bad person, because I can’t just “shut up and celebrate with my community like a good Muslim woman”. This issue brings out the worst in my pushy, argumentative, always wants to debate side, the side that thinks I’m right and I’m gonna prove it.

Any “knowledge” I have is taken from sites/astronomers, etc. who know way more than me, and a part of me wishes I’d never acquired this knowledge, never learned about madhhabs/tariqas, never heard about “traditional” Islam, because it’s led me down a very trying and difficult path. And as you have seen, it continues to test me, and I fear I’m failing… Miserably…

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Thione Seck – Rassoul

Posted by Ginny on September 28, 2008

Rassoul by Thione Seck. Posting this for the rest of Ramadan and the upcoming Eid. Inshallah, someone could provide me with English lyrics? All I know is it’s an “ode to the Prophet”.

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Two Blog Posts…

Posted by Ginny on September 28, 2008

Assalamu alaikum, two interesting blog posts from Haseeb…

Tony Blair Faith Foundation Event Featuring Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

and

Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West: A “Vile Piece of Propaganda”

I’d wanted to make some comments, but want to read the posts first, but I feel sorry that the professor’s comments for “Obsession” were used wrongly, however, I don’t know, I’d personally not really trust anyone coming around claiming to do a “DVD on Islam”. Even if they said it was only regarding “extremist” Muslims. Because most of the time, it’s not going to be objective, fair, or balanced, and IMHO, you’re asking for problems if you lend your name/comments to something like this. Because whatever opinion pieces you write detracting what you said in the video aren’t nearly going to get the exposure that your original comments would. And you’ll have people, much like my family, for example, saying things like “but he is a Muslim, but he is a professor and all of that”, which lends whatever words the documentary makers choose to use more weight and credibility, even if they are whittled down snippets of their former selves.

This is one reason that I many times hesitate when giving interviews, not that I’ve been asked a lot, but sometimes, people want to do a story on blindness, etc., and I’ve had instances where the reporters have gotten things wrong, have misquoted things, have made things sound differently than how I put them. Then of course, people just come into the interview with their own conceptions and stereotypes, and twist the interview/documentary to fit that.

You’d think that we as Muslims would get it, and plan accordingly. Another reason why we need to establish and support our own media, to tell our own story.

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How do I get 10 nights to equal a lifetime of worship?

Posted by Ginny on September 27, 2008

Assalamu alaikum, from MRs Blog

A lot of good stuff here, which is one reason why I said in my previous post that although I was already posting moon sighting info for the end of Ramadan / the beginning of Shawwal / Eid-ul-fitr, that we should not forget that there’s still some Ramadan left to go.

And I say this for myself, mostly, because I’m not able to fast these last ten days, so praying isn’t an option for me, which is OK, but for me, it’s harder to “stay in the spirit of the month” as it were, and even though I may read Qur’an, make dhikr, etc., I wrestle with the feeling that it somehow “doesn’t seem as good as” staying up making extra nafila prayers.

Also, as some of these nights, I’ve had to work during the day, I’ve found it hard to get up, and, now I’m afraid I’ve “missed” / “not caught” Lailatul Qadr, perhaps thereby missing out on the benefits. Which makes MR’s recommendations even more timely and needed, at least for me anyway.

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Eid-ul-fitr?

Posted by Ginny on September 26, 2008

Assalamu alaikum, from IslamicMoon.com:

Eid al-Fitr on October 2 (Thursday) 2008
On Sep. 29 (the conjunction date) the moon’s altitude all over the world is in the negative (except S. America, etc.) though its age is 20+ hours, and the angle 9.7 in Vancouver and 10.4 in Alaska.

On Sep. 30 a Hilal will be visible from New Zealand, Sydney (Australia) to S. Africa and Santiago (Panama). The rest of the world including Makkah Mukarramah, Cairo (Egypt) and Rabat (Morocco), etc. will see a Hilal only on Wednesday, October 1. The moon’s altitude in the northern hemisphere is between 1-6 degrees. The time lag between the sunset and the moonset (20-39 minutes) also makes a sighting highly unlikely.

In North America there is some chance in Virgin Islands and Hawaii. The chances of sighting in Miami (Angle 19.7, Altitude 7.9 at sunset) are diminished by a lag of only 38 minutes. In southern US states (Florida, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, etc.) not only the altitude is less than 7 degrees, but also the lag is between 28-39 minutes.

The observers must look very diligently, in the lower horizon, some 20-35 minutes after the sunset at approx.15-20 degrees south of where the sun had set, and report to 607-277-6706 immediately (e-mail: oa12@cornell.edu).

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From the same site regarding ISNA’s decision:

Eid al-Fitr 1429: October 1, 2008
The Astronomical New Moon for Shawwal is on Monday, September 29, 2008 at 8:12 GMT, 4:12 am EDT, 1:12 am PDT) Therefore, the first day of Shawwal is on Wednesday, October 1, 2008.

From CrescentWatch.org:

Eid al-Fitr to Occur on Oct. 1st or Oct. 2nd

Crescentwatch.org adheres to the traditional principal that Islamic lunar months begin and end based on the confirmed, verifiable sighting of the new crescent moon. Click here for Zaytuna Institute’s Statement Concerning the Determination of Islamic Dates.
Crescentwatch.org encourages everyone to go out to look for the new crescent moon this Tuesday night (Sep. 30th) in anticipation of the beginning of the month of Shawwal and the close of this blessed month of Ramadan. However, Muslim astronomers have indicated that it will be very difficult to sight the moon anywhere in North America on Tuesday evening (see visibility charts here), and we will perhaps complete the 30 days of Ramadan and sight the new moon of Shawwal on Wednesday night. We are thus anticipating to celebrate Eid on either Wednesday, Oct. 1st, or on Thursday, Oct. 2nd.

The crescent would be visible shortly after sunset, low in the sky, and slightly to the left (south) of where the sun had set. It is a beautiful experience to sight its emergence, and it is a sunnah of our noble Prophet, sal Allahu alayhi wa salam, that we hope the ummah revives.

Please check our site (www.crescentwatch.org) for regular updates, moon sighting reports, and additional information on moon sighting. We will post our final determination regarding the date of Shawwal and Eid al-Fitr on Tuesday night at 8:30pm PST. in sha Allah

Last Updated: September 25, 2008 16:22 PST
Posted: September 25, 2008 15:36 PST

ChicagoHilal.com says:

InshAllah, the committee will meet on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 to determine the end of Ramadan and the date of Eid-ul-Fitr. Please check on Tuesday, September 30th for updates.

MoonSighting.com says:

Moon Sighting for Shawwal 1429
The Astronomical New Moon is on Monday, September 29, 2008 at 8:12 GMT, 4:12 am EDT, 1:12 am PDT). It will not be visible on September 29 except small possibility in Ploynesian Islands. On Tuesday, September 30, it will be visible in New Zealand Australia, Indonesia, South Asia, Africa and Americas. In North America on September 30, it can be seen in Southern belt states. So, Eidul-Fitr is expected on Wednesday, October 1, most of the world, Insha-Allah. Also, according to Saudi Ummul-Qura calendar, Fiqh Council of North America, and European Council for Fatwa and Research, the first day of Shawwal is on Wednesday, October 1, 2008.

In UK moon cannot be sighted on Sep 29 or Sep 30, 2008. Sighting in UK could only be on October 1. However a new Fatawa from Deoband, India, is that even if moon is seen in as far south as South Africa, UK will accept that sighting. According to this criterion Eid in UK will be on October 1, Insha-Allah, because the moon should be easily visible in Australia and South Africa on September 30.

In Pakistan, moon may not be seen on Septmber 30, except by high powered telescope. So, Eid in Pakistan is expected to be on Octber 2, 2008.

So there you go. Although Eid could conceivably be on Tuesday September 30th, (if there are “sighting reports” coming out of the Middle East. But Inshallah, that doesn’t happen, because then you will once again see the dirth of “Eid couldn’t have been on this day” articles, which, it appears, if you’re using scientific evidence and yes, actual sighting, Eid should *not* be on September 30th! Unless, of course, you’re in the Polynesian Islands… Or, unless credible sightings come from there and people follow those… We’ll see, though. But allowing the “oh there’s a small possibility of sighting” … just opens the door for chaos once again, *sigh*.

I’m actually considering posting moon sighting possibilities / reports from various sites not just for Ramadan, Shawwal, and Dhul Hijjah, for example, but for all 12 of the months.

Anyway, Eid Mubarak in advance, and before we completely jump over and ignore the last few days of Ramadan, there’s still a bit of Ramadan left, So Inshallah (for myself mostly) let’s make the most of it.

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Thanks Mo…

Posted by Ginny on September 25, 2008

… for reviving an old post that quite truthfully, I’m embarrassed about.  Which is, of course, the risk you take when you blog about something (er obsess
over it) and forget to delete it later…

*sigh*  Usually when I get a comment from a post that is like ages old, 99% of the time it’s a spam comment.  “Mo”’s comment does not appear to be so.

Commenting on the Akon topic…GHaving met the brother I tottally disagree with your point of view….

Well, perhaps if I’d met him, I’d think differently, but all I have to go on is, I guess what some would call the “evil Western Media” (because we all know that’s who’s fault it really is) tells us. That and his interviews/song lyrics, etc., etc., etc. I know that people have a public image and a private one. I’ve often wondered if anyone who really *knew* him, I mean, *really* knew him, not the “yeah I met him once and he was cool” know, I’m talking about the “first thing in the morning” know, the funky ain’t brushed his teeth yet know, the ain’t showered yet know. I mean, the people that *really* know him, if they happened on this blog, would they tell me I’m wrong. I’m not saying that you’re wrong, but “meeting a brother once” ain’t the same as really knowing him, and you’ve got about as much to go on as I do. He still makes raunchy songs, that I can’t play in front of my step daughter, and he’s not a good role model for practicing Muslims to follow, sorry. Perhaps even he knows that which is why he maybe hides his Islam and if that’s the case I can understand that. Perhaps if I “met him once” I’d think differently, perhaps would come here and say, “yeah he’s a nice brother”, but all I have to go on is the “public image”, becuase I just don’t know him like that, not like a friend or family member would.

you are entitled to your opinion

Thank you and I express it freely and often, even if it means putting my foot/feet in my mouth most of the time. My mouth has tended to get me into trouble, but try as I might, my tongue is a weakness I continue to struggle with, may Allah help me in this.

but dont discrimenate another muslim brother or anyone for that matter.

Discriminate? Who said anything about “discriminating”? *Rubs head* *Confused* Not to mention the fact that you mis-spelled the word, do you even know what “discriminate” actually means? I didn’t know that offensive lyrics and conduct by a supposed “proud Muslim” (more on that later) was “discrimination”. Must have missed that in the dictionary or our US civil rights law. Best be careful lest a discrimination lawsuit falls in my lap. But I’d think a blind Muslim woman would know something more about discrimination, or at least the real definition/incidence of it, having actually faced it myself, than someone who wrote the grand ode to women everywhere “I Wanna Love You”, (expletive changed so as not to offend). I’m not saying Akon’s not faced discrimination, what I’m saying is that by me pointing out certain things, that is not “discriminating”.

Akon is a Proud mslim”

I’ll take your word for it, as you’ve supposedly “met the brother”, and Allah knows best, so being that it’s Ramadan, perhaps he’s a proud Muslim, but why do you only hear of it publicly when he’s talking about, uh, er, “polygamy”? Did we see any beautiful newspaper articles about “Akon’s commitment to his religion” as you tend to see with famous Muslims this time of year? I’m being serious, because if there is one, I’d like to see it. Perhaps if you submit pics of Akon having iftar, or something, I’d post them. But how would you know, if having only met the brother once, whether or not he is a “proud Muslim”, and “proud Muslims” aren’t necessarily striving to be good Muslims. Just ask Faheem Rasheed Najm. I do’t want to question anyone’s Islam, but when reading articles, detailing “who is Muslim and who is not”, I think it’s OK to say that perhaps people who are Muslim in the industry may not be the best role models regarding the practice of Islam. The lyrics of some purportedly Muslim artists are just on example of this. However, this doesn’t take away from the fact that they are struggling, heck, I’m struggling.

yet you only see the fault in him,

Yeah, perhaps you’re right (unless you actually read my blog, which maybe you only stumbled on this one article), but if you’d actually read my blog, you’d see that perhaps I’ve got differing degrees of dislike, or admiration, or regret, or whatever the case, depending on how I’m feeling, or how many times I’ve listened to “Mama Africa”, you did read where I said that song would almost cause me to forgive him of his, well, “faults”, didn’t you? But I guess not, ’cause you choose to go diggin’ in the blog crates, pull out this one post and hand-slap me (’cause you supposedly have met / know this brother) and command me to “not discriminate” or otherwise correct my post. I’m sure there is a lot of good in him, I just don’t know enough to write about it. And unfortunately, it’s the bad that sticks out.

Take a look around your muslim neibhorhood

Mr. Mo, I don’t know what kind of “neighborhood” you live in, or how things are there in Australia where you live, but here in the US, we generally don’t have “Muslim neighborhoods”. I could find a lot of fault in any neighborhood I chose to take a look at… Muslim or not…

and search for fault im sure you will find more than Akon.

Actually, to be honest, I’d rather search for fault in my own self and try to correct that. And I’m working on it, I really am… Search for Akon using the search feature on my blog, if you are so inclined, and you’ll see my angst (embarrassing though it may be) on this issue.

and being of Lebanese African descent and living in Australia it is not easy growing up in Western Culture and not doing the rong thing.

Yes, I’m a Muslim convert and I can relate to you on that… But does it make it right? That is what I wanna know… I can listen to Lupe Fiasco (another commercially successful Muslim artist, though not as much as Akon), and everyone knows he’s Muslim, and by all acounts, a fairly observant one at that. He’s probably not perfect, and I’m sure if I wanted to find fault, I could, but I won’t. But this all started first, when I had a sister-in-law who loved Akon’s music, and “I Wanna Love You” came out, and that was just too much for me! That and the whole public “polygamy” bruhaha. But perhaps being a “proud Muslim” doesn’t sell as many records. It’s not easy being a Muslim in the West, but in this world, it’s not easy being a Muslim anywhere, unless, of course, you live on a mountain somewhere with no TV, no Internet, no media, and no distractions. I’ve not met a lot of “famous people” but I can safely say that meeting people isn’t the same as actually knowing them, and saying you’re a proud Muslim, African, blind person, dog lover, etc., doesn’t a proud whatever make! Akon’s lyrics offend me, I’m sorry if that offends you! I wish he’d put out more positive fare. Because he’s on the list of artists that I won’t let my stepdaughter listen to, “bust it baby” was bad enough! And if it’s so “hard for Muslims” out here in the West, why should Akon put out music that would make it harder for us trying to raise pious Muslim children?

“Proud Muslim” whatever! Perhaps he is, perhaps he’s struggling just like the rest of us! And May Allah have mercy on him, May his Ramadan be a blessed and happy one! But I still don’t like his lyrics! Sorry!

And I wish his conduct/lyrics would be more becoming of a “proud Muslim” or what we think a “proud Muslim” should be. Perhaps if I actually *knew* Akon, I’d think differently, or perhaps I’d ask him “why do you write/producer/sing this awful stuff”? But I’ll never get that chance. I’m sure Akon is a “nice person” and all of that, and I’m sure that in 1, 2 or 5 years from now, I’ll come back and read all of this and shudder in horror at my silliness, pettiness, obsessiveness, etc., and in the last ten days of Ramadan no less. And I’ll wish I’d not said any of this. Perhaps he’s doing something that would increase his rank even above me on Yaum-al-qiyama, and I’m sittin’ here thinking I’m all better than him because, well, just because “I’m not like him”. He could be making dhikr, reading Qur’an, etc., for all I know, and what am I doing? Talking about him… Allahu Akbar! I’m just sayin’. You could be wright Mo, you really could be. But I don’t choose to look for others’ faults, thank you very much. I’m too busy with my own, one of them being focusing on certain things that just plain get under my skin! And perhaps “Muslims in the industry” get put up on pedestals so that “normal everyday Muslims” like myself and sit here and knock them down. nothing I hate worse than being told what to say, what to think, on my own blog.

I guess it’s also a bit hypocritical to say that I’m too busy focusing on my own faults, yet I’ve just wasted time on this and other post, detailing the seeming faults of another person. I’m not perfect, and perhaps if I want people to understand that in me and give me the benefit of the doubt, then I should do the same for Akon, T-Pain and others. However, it’s a little hard to do thta when you have purported Muslims, who you’d think would no better, putting out songs like “I’m In Love with a Stripper” or “Bartender” or “I Wanna Love You”, etc. That is what makes it so glaring to me, so obvious, so hard to ignore. Perhaps it’s the difference between a public struggle, i.e., putting out music, and a private struggle, i.e. trying not to listen to said music. And it frustrates me that I could hear a T-Pain or Akon song, know it’s just so entirely wrong on so many levels, whether Muslim or not, and feel myself wanting to bob my head or sing along or, worse, dance to it or turn it up! I’m just being honest!

Perhaps because their struggles, public or not, tie in so much with my own, is why they bother me so, maybe that’s it. Maybe if I had them to my house for an iftar, or over for tea / ataya, we could have a discussion, one Muslim to another, as struggling people on the Sirat al-Mustaqeen, where I could say, do you understand, oh Muslim brothers, how your words, actions, lyrics, songs, hurt and offend me as your Muslim sister. And how it makes it harder for me to raise pious Muslim children, or how it makes it hard as a Muslim to avoid the haram and seek the good?

I’m sure T-Pain and Akon are perfectly nice brothers, minus the offending songs, perhaps they’d respect me as a hijabi Muslim woman. Allah alone knows best. I wish them both the best in this life and in the next. I wish them a belated Ramadan and an Eid Mubarak in advance.

And the same to all of my loyal readers who’ve made it this far through my latest diatribe. You guys are wonderful, the commenters and the lurkers. Thanks for reading and continue to enjoy, Inshallah.

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The Last Few Days of Ramadan

Posted by Ginny on September 23, 2008

Assalamu alaikum, Ramadan is starting to draw to a close.  It always goes so fast, and that makes me sad.  And at this point, I’m not able to pray or fast, which used to really upset me because I felt as though I was missing out on opportunities to do Sunnah prayers at night, etc.  However, not praying or fasting is commanded of women that are, shall we say, in certain situations, and I’ve just gotten to the point that we, as women in these situations, can utilize other opportunities to gain reward from Allah.  As, well, not that I can say this definitively, as Allah alone knows best, but, I’d not think that we’d be somehow “punished” because we are not permitted to pray or fast during certain times.

 

We could make dhikr, read Qur’an, listen to beneficial lectures, perhaps continue to keep away from certain things that would lessen the reward of a fasting person, even if we’re not actually abstaining from food and drink.

 

Anyway, I’m not sure how much I’ll be writing these next few days.  I’d like to take advantage of these last days of Ramadan as best as I can, and I’m working too, so don’t have as much time to blog during the week as I do during the weekends. 

 

Inshallah, everyone’s Ramadan is going well, and may you have blessed and happy rest of the month.

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Thoughts

Posted by Ginny on September 21, 2008

Assalamu alaikum, given the latest suicide bombing (that of the Marriott in Islamabad, Pakistan, where people had just broken their fast and were beginning to eat their iftar), as well as other posts by SunniSister(1, 2, 3, 4), I’ve begun to start thinking about Islam, terrorism, and how the two relate, or don’t. This post is just an attempt to work through some things in my head.

Firstly, while I know that Islam doesn’t condone terrorism, and I know that the vast majority of Muslims don’t engage in terrorism, it seems that the hard and bitter truth is that enough of a segment of the population either engages in terrorism itself, or at least tacitly condones it, if not outright supporting it. IMHO, we’re not going to solve this problem in our communities, the problem of extremism, which sometimes leads to things like roadside and suicide bombings, as well as, say, killing women for supposedly not wearing proper hijab, until we face this problem head on. Until we stop blaming “the West”, “the biased Western media”, or “Western governments” for our problems.

Yes, I know they are biased, I know that there’s a lot of Islamophobia out there. But this doesn’t take away from the fact that someone bombed a Marriott full of Muslims who’d just broken their fast for the day, and ended up killing scores of innocent people in the process. “Western governments” or “Western media” had nothing to do with that! Presumably, a group of people planned this, they know this would be in a predominantly Muslim country, at Iftar time, and I’m sure they had to know that they’d kill innocent Muslims in the process, so I’d like to know how this could be right?

I’d read somewhere that there was a scholar who justified/said suicide bombings were permissible, I’d like to know why/how? If suicide, based on everything I’ve been taught, is haram/the Muslim is going to go to Hell for it, then why would someone say “yeah it’s OK because it’s against an occupying force”, or “yeah it’s OK because it’s the Jews”, or the Israelis, or the Americans, or the Shias, or the Sufis, or whoever. And you compound this enormity by most of the time, if not all of the time, killing innocent people in the process, usually but not always Muslims (the people you’re supposedly doing this for in the first place), and that’s OK too? And people are told if you do this, you’ll be “martyred”. I actually stumbled upon a site (can’t remember what site now), I think it was shortly after I’d become Muslim or perhaps after 9/11 after Afghanistan had been invaded. I kept seeing the term “martyrdom operations”, and I’ve seen this used to describe suicide bombings in Palestine/Israel, and I think to myself “martyrdom operations”? How so?

Yes, I know the reasons, I know the excuses, Baraka notes them quite well in her post dealing with the Marriott bombings yesterday. But can I say I’m tired of it? Can I say I find these sorts of excuses repugnant? Without then being accused of not supporting my Muslim brothers and sisters? Listen, I know we are weak, perhaps defenseless, occupied, tortured, murdered, you name it. I know this, but how do you right a wrong with another wrong? You can’t, and it’s not worked! Suicide bombing and killing innocent people has not made things better for the Muslims! In fact, it’s made things worse, it’s given “Western governments”, as it were, more of an excuse to detain, torture, curtail our rights, than it did before! So why would people keep using a tactic that has failed time and again?

Whatever happened to dua, dhikr, imploring Allah for strength, guidance, mercy, forgiveness, whatever happened to trying to change the condition of our own souls? When did suicide bombing, terrorism, so-called “jihad”, become so intertwined with Islam and Muslims that not only do some elements of the “Western media”, as well as many non-Muslims, get it wrong, but even many Muslims seem to think these sorts of things are Islamicly justified! Let’s be real about that! Because if they didn’t, they’d not keep doing it, they’d not keep supporting it, they’d not keep justifying it.

I just want some honesty, for a change, some “yeah we’ve got some bad apples in our bunch and we’re working hard to deal with that”. Not the cookie-cutter press release you always tend to see when something like this happens, the “the vast majority of Muslims abhor this sort of thing and it’s counter to our teachings as a Muslim”, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, obviously, it wasn’t counter to the “teachings” of whoever was responsible for this act yesterday. And the acts that I’m sure are sure to follow.

And let’s be clear here, I’m not saying Islam = terrorism, obviously, I know that’s not the case, but enough people think that it does, or should, that it’s a real problem within the community. And it’s this perhaps small minority of people’s hate and violence that is causing problems for the rest of us! And we have to face it head on and deal with it, in the best way we can, not sweep it under the rug, pretend it doesn’t exist, and blame the “Western media”, when they have banner headlines on the latest bombing somewhere, and pictures of the dead and dismembered bodies. What do we do, we make excuses, we blame, just like we do for things like honor killing, domestic violence, and the other problems that plague our community. That and just pretend it doesn’t exist, act like the “evil Western media” is just making it up.

If we were doing our job right, if we were truly trying to please Allah, to live by His commands, to use our Prophet (peace be upon him), as a model, perhaps we’d be in a better position, perhaps we’d not be in the mess we’re in. But it seems we’ve not been doing that and we’re in quite a mess because of it.

And again, yes, I know there is a lot of Islamophobia out there, a lot of sensationalization of things as regards Muslims, yes, I know this. However, that doesn’t change the fact that we’re giving “the media” a lot of fodder to work with, and we’re not doing ourselves any favors, either in the here, or Inshallah, in the Hereafter, by engaging in some of the things that purported Muslims engage in.

I use the analogy of being blind as an example, there are a lot of negative and untrue stereotypes about blind people out there, however, many of us strive to break down those stereotypes, to do things that many said we couldn’t. This does not, however, change the fact that there are many within the blindness community who are a spitting image of those stereotypes, and pretending that it’s not the case is just silly.

The point I’m making is that the truth, no matter how uncomfortable, should prevail, and perhaps facing this truth would allow us, as Muslims striving to practice our religion to the best of our abilities, to solve the problems that we have in our community. And as far as solutions go, I’m not sure I have any, as this would require people first recognizing there’s a problem and then facing it head on. It would require the changing of hearts and minds, and then somehow to tackle the mindset that justifies the kinds of acts we saw/heard so vividly displayed yesterday via a myriad of news outlets.

When I’m asked about terrorism, I tell peple that no, it’s not Islamic, but some people use Islam to justify it, and some, unfortunately, do think it’s Islamic. Obviously, they’d not be doing it if they didn’t think this way. When and if I’m asked about Muslims support/condoning of this sort of thing, I say that most Muslims don’t support this, no one I know does, however, it seems some Muslims think this way, but it’s not right.

And I wasn’t always like this, I used to get defensive, I used to say “yeah, it’s a problem but our media distorts”, and then I’d go into a long explanation of how the media hypes the bad, without speaking of the good. How Muslims are villified, etc., which they are. But this doesn’t change the fact that Muslims are committing horrible atrocities in the name of Islam. And at this point, I don’t care who else is doing this, what media is “distorting/hyping” it, or what Western governments think or don’t think. The fact is, Muslims are doing this! We are killing our own brothers and sisters, or outright takfiring them to justify killing them. We’re doing this to ourselves! And that’s what I’m upset about! We’re killing, injuring, maiming people to “get back at the west” when in actuality, all we’re doing is hurting ourselves! And I don’t understand why people don’t/are not realizing this?

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Conversion Stories and The People Who Love Them (or don’t)

Posted by Ginny on September 20, 2008

Assalamu alaikum, Aaminah has posted a series of questions dealing with converts and their stories, which I’ll attempt to answer below:

1. Do you personally enjoy hearing/reading conversion stories, or could you kinda take ‘em or leave ‘em? If so, are there particular reasons that you feel as you do? Has your like/dislike changed over your time of being Muslim?

When I first became Muslim, and shortly before that, when I started studying/learning about Islam, I enjoyed reading conversion stories, because I liked seeing how others came to Islam. However, after a while, after I began to become more comfortable in my skin as a Muslim, my interest in conversion stories waned. I think, at first, I needed some sort of validation, that I wasn’t the only one searching, and ultimately finding, Islam. However, now when I think about it, I’m not sure that many conversion stories, at least many of the ones you see out there, really apply to me. I wasn’t some extremely evangelical Christian, who only at first learned about Islam/the Qur’an to “convert” Muslims to Christianity, only to become Muslim themselves. Or the gang member, drug user, or otherwise “bad” person, who found Islam and turned their life around.

My story I think was more gradual, and when I look back on it, I think Islam was always there in me, I just didn’t know it at the time. Now I can look back and see the stepping stones that Allah put in my path which inevitably led me to Islam. I wouldn’t say I like or dislike conversion stories now, I just don’t find much use for me, i.e., they’re really not as inspiring to me, and not to discount anyone’s particular story or situation, but for me, I’ve read/heard so many, that it’s kinda like, you’ve seen/read one, you’ve seen/read them all. And they just don’t do anything for me spiritually/inspirationally anymore.

2. Do you ever want to ask a “born” Muslim: “So, you were born into a Muslim family, what’s your story” or “So what’s your story about how you chose to live Islam”?

Not really, unless, of course, the topic somehow came up in conversation, or I really knew the person and felt comfortable asking them. I’ve never wanted to ask a complete stranger these questions, though, probably because I feel uncomfortable getting asked these questions myself and thus feel uncomfortable doing that to anyone else. Also, I’d imagine that the same things that bring converts to Islam, are much the same things that bring “born Muslims” back to Islam, i.e., fulfillment, a desire to follow God’s commandments, the only difference is perhaps that “born Muslims” probably know more about Islam coming in than a convert, they just have to make the conscious desire to practice the religion. Although as I’m not a “born Muslim” I can’t say that for sure.

3. Do you like telling your own story? What do you like or dislike about telling it?

I used to like telling my story, it kinda felt good to be fawned over, to hear the (primarily) sisters say things like, “Mashallah”, etc. However, now it makes me feel like I’m being put on display, like I’m being asked to perform, to be a spectacle, and it makes me feel uncomfortable. Because the “fawning over” didn’t normally last long, and then it would morph into “so tell us what you were like *before* you were Muslim”, kinda like, we’ve put you up on this grand pedestal, now we wanna go and knock you off. ’cause they’d (or some I should say), would ask about the boyfriends I’d had, or they’d make comments about the “bad” things in America. And even if they didn’t, after I’d given my conversion story, I’d think to myself, “well, if they really knew the kind of person I was, both now and before I was Muslim, they’d probably think differently about me”. I mean, what can you think that other sisters think about you when not five minutes after you’ve said your Shahadah, they’re telling you you have to get married in order to “avoid committing zina”. What kind of person do they think I am if they say things like that? Obviously not one who can keep their legs closed, because “you know how American women are”. And now that I am married, the questions now are, “are you going to have kids”, “how come you’re not pregnant yet”, etc. So I find that many times, conversion stories end up leading to other questions that I don’t feel comfortable answering and that frankly I don’t feel are anyone’s business anyway.

4. Have you ever refused to tell your story? Why?

No, I can’t say that I have, but probably I should have, and perhaps I’ll try that next time I’m asked.

5. Do you find it different, or that you react or feel differently, being asked by a fellow convert versus a “born” Muslim to share your story?

Hmmm, I don’t think I can remember the last time that a convert, outrightly, asked me about my own conversion story, and I think if they did, it just came up in the normal course of the conversation, and it just didn’t have the “tell us your story for our own amusement” feeling to it that it does when “born” Muslims ask. So my reaction is a bit different, I don’t feel uncomfortable, because I feel that converts are coming from the same place I am, so we can relate on some level.

6. Do you ever wish that you could change the story you’ve told? Do you ever feel compelled to “update” it? Do you have different “versions” you tell depending on the audience?

Yes, I wish I could update my story, but how I’d do it, I don’t know. So much has changed since my initial conversion, I’m just not the same person I was before. And I don’t feel so “new” as a Muslim, I mean, I don’t even think of myself, most of the time anyway, as a “new Muslim”, I’m just a Muslim now, which kind of makes my conversion story feel irrelevant now. My conversion to Islam was just part of the pattern of my life.

As far as giving different versions of it, well, it depends on how the people around me are reacting, if I feel uncomfortable or they don’t seem interested, I give the “short” “taking a class in African history and researched Islam as part of the class” version, but if they seem interested, or I don’t feel put on display, I might explain the story in a bit more detail, as well as my experiences afterword.

7. Do you ever regret having told your story? Why?

Sometimes, because then I feel like I have to be “better” than the people who asked me, because I “found” Islam. Which makes me afraid that someone will “discover” my flaws and point them out for all the world to see. I mean, when I tell my story, I get the “oh she knows the truth, think of all the people who don’t”, or “she knows the truth, now she can go back and tell her family” or “oh have you told your family about Islam?”, as if I’m going to say “no I haven’t, I wanted to keep it a secret all to myself.” And then they seem disappointed when I tell them that yes, I’ve told my family, but no, they’re not Muslim, and again, I don’t think it’s any of their business anyway, but I feel boxed in so I feel like I have to answer something. But I get the feeling that as a convert, and especially as a woman, we can’t “mess up”, we can’t “do anything wrong”, because I think many times, our Islam is questioned/questionable to some to begin with. If our faith ebbs after accepting Islam, if we for some reason stop praying, etc., then you hear “oh she was a liar, she only became Muslim to get something from us”, etc. And then I’m like, well, I’d better not mess up because what are they going to think about or say about me?

8. Is it different for women versus men? Who asks you more often? Who gets asked more often? Are the connotations or feelings involved different depending on gender?

You know, many of these questions I’m not sure I have the answers to. I’ve tended to get asked my conversion story by women, primarily. Muslim women for inspiration or a sense of pride that “this American from Indiana would eventually come to Islam”. And non-Muslim women, it usually turns out, so they can “witness” to you, or otherwise attempt to convert you *back* to Christianity. I’ve not been asked by many men or at least any that I can remember at the moment. Although my husband, who’s laid back anyway, has the feeling that Allah gave me an open mind, because He knew that would allow me to find Islam anyway, despite that I lived in the MidWest, USA, and had no contact with Muslims. Though even that is tinged with “Mashallah, look at how amazing that is, that someone like you could find Islam”, which doesn’t bother me because he’s my husband and he’s not condescending about it, he just looks at it in the context of “Allah guides whom He wills, and He guided you, Mashallah, so Alhamdulillah for this”.

In general, I really don’t like talking about my conversion story too much because for me, it’s “old news” and most of it I don’t think applies to me anymore. I mean, I’m getting to the point where I’ve been Muslim for so long that I can hardly imagine my life before it. Although obviously, I still have memories of my “pre-Islam” life. It’s just that the “dividing line”, between before and after my conversion, that used to be so perceptible, has kind of blurred a bit. So my conversion to Islam doesn’t feel like this monumental change that it did when I went through it. It feels more like a gradual climb, not a seismic shift.

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Ramadan Journal — Days 14-19

Posted by Ginny on September 20, 2008

Assalamu alaikum, well, I sure didn’t mean for it to be this long between “Ramadan Journal” posts. But it was a workweek, which I tend to blog less during the week anyway, and I was really tired this week (not sure why).

And also, I just didn’t have much to write about. I mean, it was pretty much the same thing, get up for suhoor, fast, pray, then iftar, then pray some more, then repeat the next day. I can say it’s been a good month, I think I’ve met most of my goals that I wanted to do for this month, so Alhamdulillah for that.

Although the one thing that has caused me so much trouble, both in and out of Ramadan, is when to stop fasting/praying when, well, how do I say this tactfully, “when your friend comes to visit”. Women will know what I’m talking about, and some men probably will, too, but I want to touch on this topic, not because I want to be all “too much information” and all of that, but to discuss something, to put something out there that I’m wondering if other blind Muslim women face this, well, I’m sure they do, because they’re all women, but…

Let’s just say, my friend comes ambiguously, sometimes unbeknownst to me, sometimes I think she’s there, and, come to find out, she’s not really there at all, and sometimes, I don’t think she’s there, and someone, embarrassingly, has to tell me she is, i.e., husband, friend, female relative.

Well, yesterday, last night, and this morning, I thought she was there, though I wasn’t sure, so I kept fasting just in case, turns out she wasn’t. And I fell asleep last night, telling myself that I’d fast if she wasn’t here today, which I thought she would be but alas, turned out not to be. And I overslept for suhoor and Fajr (Astaghfirullah). So at this point, I’ll go with what I know, that she’s not here, so will continue praying and fasting, etc. But it still bothers me. I wish I just “knew”, that I’d get something unambiguous, like “hey, stop fasting!” Or “Hey, stop praying!” But no, not me…

Before I was Muslim, I’d just prepare for my friend’s arrival, and if she came, OK, and if she didn’t, that was OK too. But now, well, as a Muslim, there are just certain things that you can’t do when your friend is visiting. I don’t know too many other blind Muslim women, and I’m not sure I discussed this with them, however, I’m sure I’m not the only one who has felt this kind of consternation, and I can only imagine if someone, say, had irregular cycles, or bled intermittently, i.e., some days yes, some days not.

But it seems all I can do is go on what I’m sure of, i.e., that my firned’s not here yet, and keep going until I have the certainty that she is here, then act accordingly. But because I’m so obssessive about things, so afraid about “doing the wrong thing”, it still bothers me.

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Carrying the Word

Posted by Ginny on September 15, 2008

Assalamu alaikum, Mashallah… Via Aaminah and SeekersDigest.
There is a lively discussion going on on Tariq Nelson’s blog regarding Warith Deen Muhammad, and, well, to be honest, I’m not sure if this is the appropriate time to be discussing his supposed “deviancy”. Assuming it’s true, and I’m not saying one way or the other, this is just not the right time. People’s emotions are too raw, they’re still in pain, still grieving his loss, and you’re not going to reach them by saying “oh so-and-so is deviant, you shouldn’t pray for them or ask for forgiveness for them”, etc. Even if that is all true, you’re not going to convince people who loved and respected this man, so soon after his death. Why not wait until people have had sometime to grieve a little?

Then perhaps you can ever so gently try to coax them in the “right direction”, whatever direction you think that is! But just coming and saying “oh this man is deviant, his followers are deviant, and you guys are kafir for following him and he’s a kafir too”, just is too harsh right now! I think there’s a way to give good nasiha, not to mention a time and a place for it, and unfortunately, now doesn’t seem to be the time or the place. It seems you’re just going to push away the very people you’re trying to “convince”.

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